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Ryusaki Toketsu Tsuchikage
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| Subject: Kyuubi and Hachibi Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:01 am | |
| Alright, I have kinda seen the bijuu thread. Which makes me think that they are coming sooner or later. I just wanted to work out some kinks here first. Namely the two big issues of the kyuubi and the hachibi. Both are pretty much OP in the hands of even a person who has just started rp'ing. Shown by what hachibi has done so far against people like Kisame and so on. The issue isn't as major as the kyuubi but it's there. Which makes me think we should put stricter holds on the person who has it.
The kyuubi...just wondering if anyone here skipped naruto vs pein, cause this is alot of justificatoin for what I'm thinking...if you did...might wanna go watch.
Lets face it, the Kyuubi is over powered, how we can weaken this thing is honestly beyond me, without putting so that its like the 5 tails. I understand it's supposed to be the strongest, and I ask that we nerf this thing I know that, but it's shown qualities that even the characters in the manga in anime wanna shout BS too..lol...
From what I noticed, that special point where it reaches the line of OP is around the 4th tail. After that, it's like trying to take on a heavy tank with a toy car, or maybe a SUV at best. Even the almighty pein was saying how fast and powerful it is, even surprising him, catching him off guard and him constantly saying he could have never imagined it would be this strong. Only his anti army shinra tensei was able to remotely hold it back until 6 tails, then it was like throwing rocks at a fighter jet,..lol...
Before someone says I'm just ranting (I noticed) here are my issues. It's defensive power is ridiculous, after it hits the 4th tail. Even orochimaru's sword, said to be able to cut through diamond given the chance, couldn't even nick through the dense cloak with a powerful stab. It's 4 tails menacing ball ripped through 3 of the "w/e" iron walls orochimaru uses and still had enough strength to mangle his fake body. It would have killed him if he wasn't basically a snake. The speed is enough to match up with rock lee's 3rd gates at least, 5 probably. The strength is enough to break through mountains, and the only reason why peins planetary devastaion caught the 8 tails form was threw scale. If it was slightly bigger it would have probably been caught, shown when the 9 tails form just crawled out like it was nothing. Lastly "though this is the general trait" To this point, unlike several other of the jin's it shows literally limitless chakra. (Ends rant) Just thoughts on it | |
| | | Kitaro Missing Nin
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Sat Jul 17, 2010 5:59 am | |
| This is true. Kyuubi at 6 tails is god so its impossible to fight it at a level higher than that no matter who you are. Pein couldn't scratch it at 6. So an announcment should be made before we start setting out nerfs so that people don't say well its stronger in canon so shut up. We should have a power chart show exactly how powerful it is in each tailed state. Hachibi is fine however. It was just a bitch to Kisame because of Samehada. | |
| | | Ryusaki Toketsu Tsuchikage
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:52 pm | |
| fair enough on the Hachibi issue. But yea, we need to tell people how strong each tail and each form of each bijuu is. Which i just thought, I guess we could nerf all the bijuu to bring down the kyuubi, maybe the first 3 tails would be exempt since it's not needed. | |
| | | Null Abarada Kazekage
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Sat Jul 17, 2010 4:57 pm | |
| All Bijuu, BUT the Kyuubi should be allowed.
Makes things a whole Lot Easier.
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| | | .Oblivion. Sanin
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Sun Jul 18, 2010 3:58 am | |
| There is a chance we will be using custom Bijuu | |
| | | Death. Missing Nin
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Mon Aug 02, 2010 6:30 pm | |
| Not meaning to interfere, but I could put up a system for all nine of the tailed beast if you don't mind. I'm an expert in that area, since its my favorite part about the Naruto series.
I'm their biggest fan(in their case, the tinniest fan). Lol. XD | |
| | | Death. Missing Nin
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Tue Aug 03, 2010 9:29 am | |
| These are examples of how the Jin transformations can be nerfed so that they don't act as if they are the most powerful beings on earth. I made all of these by myself, just in case you were wondering. I say the Kyuubi Jinchuuriki should be limited up to four tails during battles. While in transformations, he/she should be monitored. If he/she wants to go higher, if he/she possess control over the form, the jin must get a approval. This applies during battles against other jinchuuriki, Akatsuki, and X-Rank Ninja. If you approve of this idea, I will work on the other five jinchuuriki. One-Tailed Shukaku- Spoiler:
Half Shukaku Form: In this form the gourd on his/her back slowly breaks down and begins to cover his/her body, covering his arms, and then his face distorting it and giving it Shukaku's features such as the yellow eye and markings, he/she even grows his/her one tail from the gourd which itself functions like a normal tail. In this form, the Jinchuuriki's strength and speed has increased. He/She can use the sand on his arm to stretch his/her limbs to extraordinary lengths. This form also allows him/her to even fire off his/her limbs at will, but still have them remain under his/her control, as Gaara was able to pin Sakura to a tree and then slowly crush her as his battle with Naruto continued.
Miniature Shukaku Form [Version 1]: In this form, the jinchuuriki is able to use Sand Shuriken with apparent great ease as most of his body is now sand. His/Her speed, attack, and defense greatly rises. He/She can use Shukaku's wind element as he/she could now use the Wind Release: Infinite Sand Cloud Great Breakthrough. In addition much like Naruto's chakra shield, the sand is capable of absorbing a wide variety of attacks. However, the defense given to his/her body still has one weak spot. Since his/her lower half has little covering, as seen by Naruto, a small explosion beneath his tail can make the entire sand form crumble, and fall apart. Two-Tailed Demon Cat- Spoiler:
Initial Transformation- By simply tapping into the Two-Tails' chakra, the jinchuuriki's body begins its initial transformation. The first signs to this are his/her eyes; his/her irises and pupils will turn yellow. Following this, his/her nails and canine teeth grow longer and sharper and his/her hair will seem to become longer and a little spiky. While in this form, The jinchuuriki can move at greater speeds than most ninja his/her age. Depending on how much of the Two-Tails' chakra is unleashed, the chakra is capable of glowing around his/her body in an untamed way. He/She can also use the chakra as a shockwave, sometimes merely using a little growl or thrusting his/her fist out to send a rush of energy at her opponent.
One-Tailed Transformation- In this form, with chakra emanating from out of him/her, the jinchuuriki will hunch over and the Two-Tails chakra will materialize. The jinchuuriki now has access to Nibi’s fire element, allowing him/her to use a vast amount of fire ninjutsu. All of Nibi’s physical traits are present in this form, but slightly altered. The two-tailed transformation has all the benefits of the other Initial Transformation, with upgrades. With a simple slash from his/her sharp claws, he/she can nearly slice his/her opponents into pieces. Due to his/her fast speed and reflexes, he/she can dodge most incoming attacks. This form grants his/her some measure of protection, enough that kunia, small explosives, and some fire ninjutsu have no effect.
Two-Tailed Transformation- While transformed, the jinchuuriki is completely covered by the chakra of his/her tailed beast. In this form, his/her chakra takes the form of a blue flamed two-tailed cat with no pupils in his/her eyes. Though small compared to tailed beast forms of other jinchūriki, the Two-Tails still proves a threat. In this form, the jinchuuriki is able to emit fiery spectral blasts from the monster cat's mouth. These blasts are very destructive and when coupled with the Two-Tails' strength, the surrounding area can be reduced to rubble. Three-Tailed Giant Turtle- Spoiler:
Jinchuriki
Kaien is the jinchūriki of the Three-Tailed Giant Turtle. Sanbi's presence inside Kaien allows him to access the demon turtle's large supply of chakra that he can use. As a additional bonus, Kaien is able to swim at speeds that far outmatch most shinobi and can hold his breath much longer than normal humans. It should be noted that, unlike Naruto's constant battle for control over his body with the Nine-Tails, Kaien is technically never subjugated to this. Kaien has some control over his Bijuu, however, Sanbi sometimes tries to force him to use his power in order to preserve its own life.
Jinchuuriki Transformations:
Initial Transformation: By simply tapping into the Three-Tails' chakra, Kaien's body begins its initial transformation. The first signs to this are his eyes; his irises will change from yellow to red. Following this, his nails and canine teeth grow longer and sharper, and his white hair will become spikier. This form also increases his speed to such levels that nothing short of a half matured Sharingan is able to track his movements. He can also use the chakra as a shockwave, sometimes merely thrusting his fist out to send a rush of energy at his opponent.
One-Tailed Transformation: In this form, all the physical traits of the initial jinchuuriki form are present and slightly altered. This form also comes with an additional bonus: the chakra becomes a complete shield around his body, in the shape of a turtle, complete with a shrimp-like tail. Once activated, his canine teeth and nails grow long and sharp. Kaien can create spikes on his forearms to increase the deadliness of his punches. The chakra around his body grants him some measure of protection, enough that ordinary attacks like Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique will have no effect.
Two-Tailed Transformation: In this form, dark chakra will encase Kaien, granting him a turtle-like appearance. Everything from his face to his chakra tails become completely solid, his eyes lose its characteristics, and become empty glowing circles. Kaien becomes slightly more muscular, and a crab-like shell, resembling more like the Three-Tails. And, if necessary, can create a turtle skeleton, which surrounds him. The chakra shield, while being solid, has a defensive power that is strong enough to withstand large explosions and becomes immune to any water ninjutsu below S-Rank. Finally, Kaien can use Sanbi’s water element as he can now use Three-Tailed Turtle Menacing Water Ball.
Three-Tailed Transformation: In this form, , all the physical traits of the Two-Tailed transformation are present. Other than an incremental increase in Kaien's strength and speed, there are no obvious differences between the number of tails.
Full Transformation: In this form, he takes on the appearance of the Three-Tails itself. The Three-Tails primarily resembles a turtle, but with a crab-like shell, and three shrimp-like tails. It has a pair of human arms and hands, but no hind-legs. Its right eye is constantly closed, indicating some sort of injury, and because of this, it is particularly vulnerable to attacks directed at its left eye. Other than being a very fast swimmer despite its size. The Three-Tails can roar to repel attacks, produce a large tidal wave that spread away from it in all directions; and can strike with any of its three spiked tails to break through most defenses. Its skin was resistant to attack in a similar fashion. Of the beast's more specialized abilities, it could produce a hallucinogenic mist that exploited the victim's insecurities and forced the victim to face them. When it swallowed something, thousands of "mini-clones" of itself would attack what it had eaten within its gut, presumably to facilitate digestion. He is also able to create a huge sphere of chakra in front of his mouth similar to Naruto's Four-Tailed Fox Menacing Ball. Four-Tailed Monkey- Spoiler:
Initial Transformation: By simply tapping into the Four-Tails' chakra, Yogan's body begins its initial transformation. The first signs to this are his eyes; his pupils become slitted, and his irides will change from brown to yellow. Following this, his nails and canine teeth grow longer and sharper, and his red hair will grow longer and spikier, as it stands on end. This form also increases his speed to such levels that nothing short of a half matured Sharingan is able to track his movements. He can also use the chakra as a shockwave, sometimes merely thrusting his fist out to send a rush of energy at his opponent.
One-Tailed Transformation: In this form, all the physical traits of the initial jinchuuriki form are present and slightly altered. This form also comes with an additional bonus: the red chakra becomes a complete shield around his body, in the shape of a monkey, complete with a tail. Once activated, his canine teeth and nails grow long and sharp. The cloak itself gives Yogan paws of chakra around his hands and small horns on his head. The chakra around his body grants him some measure of protection, enough that ordinary attacks like Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique will have no effect.
Two-Tailed Transformation: The two-tailed form looks similar to the one-tailed form, but with the Four-Tails' features becoming more pronounced. The amount of chakra produced from this form is exasperating, such that the air around Yogan begins to sting others. With the standard chakra shield's protection and attack power, a simple punch has the power to destroy a tree and a long line of trees behind it.
Three-Tailed Transformation: In this form, dark chakra will encase Yogan, granting him a monkey-like appearance. Everything from his face to his chakra tails become completely solid, his eyes lose its characteristics, and become empty glowing circles. Yogan becomes more muscular and the small horns on his head elongate, resembling more like the Four-Tails. And, if necessary, can create chakra bones, such as a monkey's skull, to increase the strength of his attacks. The chakra shield, while being solid, has a defensive power that is strong enough to withstand large explosions. Yogan also becomes immune to any fire or lava ninjutsu below A-Rank. Finally, Yogan has the ability to charge a concentrated ball of chakra and fire it in the form of a massive blast of chakra with such force, that it can destroy two Rashomon gates.
Full Transformation: In this form, he takes on the appearance of the Four-Tails itself, rather than just a cloak, taking on the appearance of a huge monkey-like creature with four tails, and small two horns on his head. He is able to create a huge sphere of chakra in front of his mouth similar to Naruto's Four-Tailed Fox Menacing Ball. Instead of a concentrated ball of chakra, he releases it as a widespread blast causing destruction on a large scale. However, even in his full form, he does not possess an near-invincible shroud like the Nine-Tails, so even with his immense size, powerful attacks prove effective against him.
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| | | Ryusaki Toketsu Tsuchikage
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:03 am | |
| i have a few problems here but nothing that couldn't be easily dealt with, but the place i worry is beyond 4 tails. | |
| | | Death. Missing Nin
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:13 am | |
| The worry should most likely is beyond 6 Tails.
Some could be prevented from going above a certain amount of tails. Also, we could have a point system for the jinchuuriki. Pay 200 points for each tail, plus a 500 word training topic. But to prevent high disadvantages during battle, the amount of tails the jinchuuriki can reach could be limited. For example: Genin= 1 tail, Chuunin= 3 tails, Jounin= 4 tails, and so on. Though it depends on the tailed beast and their level of control. | |
| | | Ryusaki Toketsu Tsuchikage
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Fri Aug 06, 2010 11:29 am | |
| that was the thought but if we are paying points i say the price increases for each tail. | |
| | | Death. Missing Nin
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:36 pm | |
| 300 points for each tail, plus 700 word training topic? | |
| | | Daedalus ANBU
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Fri Aug 06, 2010 12:50 pm | |
| 700 words is tiny and could be done in my sleep.
This is a bijuu we're talking about, how long did it take Naruto to finally control his.
Make it at least 3000 and a ton more points. That's the only way I can see this as feasible.
THAT, and the powers of the other Bijuu should be decided among the staff. I don't think we hould give members the option of pimping their own demon. | |
| | | Death. Missing Nin
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Fri Aug 06, 2010 1:31 pm | |
| The 5T and 6T abilities are unknown, so they only give chakra boost to the host for now.
I'd rather we base this on the amount of tails each beast has. Since that mostly matters when it comes to power. Why be forced to write 3000 words for the miniature Shukaku form? Not worth it, actually.
1-3= 500 points & 1000 words
4-5= 800 points & 1500 words
6-7=1500 points & 2000 words
8-9= 2000 points & 3000 words
This could go for the Tailed Beasts themselves. However, we could add Paradise Island. It could be the only way for them to master their Bijuu. Also, take note that we can't nerf the jinchuuriki whenever they accidently lose control. | |
| | | "Toshihiro Yamaguchi" Newbee
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Fri Aug 06, 2010 1:54 pm | |
| If you're basing it on power levels shouldn't you use the vaguely familiar guide of Bijuu that every site uses, to gauge which ones are the strongest and which are the weakest. If I remember correctly, it has more of an impact than their tails do. | |
| | | Death. Missing Nin
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:18 pm | |
| That gauge thingy goes by the battles they fought, which no is sure whether it had happened. Since their isn't any info involving Bijuu brawls, those guides are useless. | |
| | | Daedalus ANBU
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:20 pm | |
| Well, Bijuu are based off of actually mythical japanese creatures.
And in legend those creatures fought, so... I dunno, you could use that stuff. | |
| | | Death. Missing Nin
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:42 pm | |
| Kishi made up a few by himself, and in a interveiw he had said they didn't entirely go by the legend. Or something like that. It was on wikia. | |
| | | "Toshihiro Yamaguchi" Newbee
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:54 pm | |
| Well if by Kishi you mean Kishimoto, then we can use what he made up, as it's still cannon. We can use actual legend to fill in the rest, as we are a custom site. Just a thought. | |
| | | Daedalus ANBU
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Fri Aug 06, 2010 10:04 pm | |
| Well, the animals Kishi has for his nine do differ a little bit from legend, however, Kyuubi's still at the top, and Shukaku's still at the bottom. Where their names and types change, their power levels are probably still the same. | |
| | | Death. Missing Nin
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Sat Aug 07, 2010 12:37 am | |
| - Yuina Maeda wrote:
- Well if by Kishi you mean Kishimoto, then we can use what he made up, as it's still cannon. We can use actual legend to fill in the rest, as we are a custom site. Just a thought.
It could work, Kidate. | |
| | | .Oblivion. Sanin
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Sat Aug 07, 2010 7:40 am | |
| Ok Even tho i am on Vacation i am going to give my thought
We should use custom Bijuu. That we the staff will create there are 3 way's we can let out the Bijuu
first we could just give them Host
Second we can let them out on village's where the people have to fight the Bijuu and seal it with a sealing jutsu and the Bijuu will be on a NPC account witch i have already made and Just let Staff member's take turn's playing as the Bijuu
Third we use both of these | |
| | | Death. Missing Nin
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Sat Aug 07, 2010 8:59 am | |
| I don't see the difference. Custom Bijuu still have tails, chakra, and all that other stuff. Like Kidate had said on the cbox, a Five-Tailed Dog with all five elements is worse than a Five-Tailed Horse/Dolphin with no powers yet. Even if we nerf the abilities, we still end up with no way to nerf the chakra. Unless we make them all have just one tail. Of course, if we do that, no one will want them.
The only place I know that has used custom Bijuu is Ingoo. | |
| | | "Toshihiro Yamaguchi" Newbee
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Sat Aug 07, 2010 1:32 pm | |
| As far as nerfing goes, with the chakra. It isn't about limiting their chakra, it's about limiting the stage that they're able to go up to IRP. First, we could add Bijuu states to the Point system, like S-ranked jutsu, a similar amount of training and points given to reach the next state without losing control. Then, we have moderators monitor fights involving Bijuu to make sure they don't go over their current stage-limit. If they do, their character is forfeit to be controlled by an unbiased staff member acting as the bijuu who would have control over their host's body.
It's still a work in progress kinda thing, but that's the rough sketch of my idea. | |
| | | Daedalus ANBU
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:37 pm | |
| - Quote :
- Ok Even tho i am on Vacation i am going to give my thought
We should use custom Bijuu. That we the staff will create there are 3 way's we can let out the Bijuu
first we could just give them Host
Second we can let them out on village's where the people have to fight the Bijuu and seal it with a sealing jutsu and the Bijuu will be on a NPC account witch i have already made and Just let Staff member's take turn's playing as the Bijuu
Third we use both of these No, not at all. And as far as the tails go, if you did make them all have one tail we'd still get nine people with more power then everyone else, they'd just be equal to each other, as opposed to the fact that now certain Bijuu are better then others. I like Yuina's idea, but I do think if someone is to have a Bijuu, they're going to need to put in a damn huge amount of hardwork to make it worthwhile to them. | |
| | | "Toshihiro Yamaguchi" Newbee
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| Subject: Re: Kyuubi and Hachibi Sat Aug 07, 2010 3:41 pm | |
| Sorry to be off-topic and spam-ish. But can we all just take a moment to admire the fact that someone likes my idea? This made my day. | |
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